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to do the miracle story, you know? nelson mandela was the miracle leader of the exceptional place, the rainbow nation, etc., you know, we tell the story and sing "kumbaya", do a little dance. [laughter] one version. and the other version is it's all crap, right? it was all soiled and terrible trick that the nc played. and so i kind of figured i would get pegged as one or the other. rhea milan said i seemed to be immune to pessimism, and i actually take that as a point of ride. also not softheaded or softhearted about what i'm seeing. that's the kind of trip that i tried to make. so the reviews have been quite good. seems to be selling and sort of bracing for that first really brutal review. it hasn't happened yet. >> have you heard from zuma? >> i have heard indirectly from president zuma who gave me a lot of time, eight interviews, more time than anybody else has ever had from him. and i kind of expected, i don't know, actually, what i expected. he's still trying to absorb what he thinks of the portrait that's been drawn of him, is the best way to put it. >> and my final question
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